Pray for My Immortal Soul

As listeners of 'Letter to America - You Can Not Stop the Love' will know Wayne and I headed out to find a Northern Irish Woman that I could treat to a good time - something did happen that evening which I will describe in an upcoming chapter of the show - but in the meantime here's a pic of a Goth Girl that we ran into on the way to that evening's adventure.  As you can see in the picture below I was affected  - and decided to pray for her immortal soul.

There are a lot of Goths in Northern Ireland - they tend to congregate here.  Perhaps Letter to America will do some sort of 'Goth Special' Podcast in the near future.

Comments

[Phil]

She frightens me - and I would not be suprised if she ran her stiletto heel through your neck after that photo.

[Ryan Rebensdorf]

WoW! reminds me of the suicide girls...
stiletto? maybe her Doc Martins or something? marine boot treads on his face?

[Cybezzzzzz]

she looks like my Mum ;-)

[JC]

Nice composition on the second picture. There is something decadent about goth women. God bless them (though they not want his blessings!)

[Phil]

I don't know - she looked more of the S&M/Bondage culture than of the depressed/goth-hippie culture.

[Jefferson Davis]

I ran into a girl yesturday at a shopping centre near me, and people were trying to get away from her, as if she had the bubonic plague. I walked up said hi, and she gave me a death wish stare that I will not soon forget. LOL...

[Jenny]

Dream on, Phil.

[Jett Loe]

Man...all you guys are so negative - the Goth Lady in question was quite nice in real life - most people would not let you take a picture of you praying to the heavens at their feet...

[Fixer]

Jett uses Goth in the more American style (victorian clothes, dark hair/lips/eyeliner, pasty skin, agnostic outlook). The Irish tend to lump more subcultures into their label goth, and included stoners, skaters, hippies, rockers, metalers...anyone a bit alternative to their norm.

[Jefferson Davis]

I think she's kinda hot, except for the pierced lower lip. Of course, whatever turns you on. LOL

[Andrew]

The Irish DON'T tend to lump more sub-cultures to our label 'goth', only the stupid ones that have no idea about sub-cultures etc etc. Young Jemma (the girl in the pictures) IS a goth, she looks exactly how a goth 'should' look, and she deliberatly dresses like that to show people that she listens to that style of music, to show them that she doesnt care about what everyone else thinks of her and to show that she is her own person and the pressures of fashion and society do not affect her... and yet apparently she needs to be prayed for... what a joke...

[Jett Loe]

Andrew - I think you're taking it all a bit too seriously - if you refer to my comment above you'll see that I think Jemma was cool for letting our show take a picure of her - and actually she becomes a talking point in the latest show - "LTA - Ormeau Baths Gallery Shock" which will be uploaded sometime in the next few hours...

[Jett Loe]

P.S. I'm praying for MY immortal soul...

[Ryan Dalzell]

Y'know, she's actually not bad looking. In comparison to most of the ones that hang around Belfast city hall anyway.

[fústar]

Limerick used to be heavily peopled with 'Goths', and there are still a goodly number about.

Even though I'm into my early thirties, and a slippers wearing old granddad to young 'goths about town', I find the sight of such (defiant) youth subcultures gladdening and uplifting. It mightn't be the intention of 'alternative' teenagers to put a smile on my face...but it's a happy side effect of their existence.

There are far too many career-minded, young conservatives out there for my liking these days...even in the university setting where I dwell. If you can't say "Fuck de Man" when you're 17 then you might as well kill yourself there and then...as there are (sadly) plenty of years ahead when one is encouraged to worry about ‘important things’ like mortgages, car insurance, and bills, bills, bills.

[izzy]

I KNOW HER! haha
shes called gemma!
hehe how random!

[Jenny]

Given the amount of times this seems to happen, I reckon the population of Northern Ireland is about 23.

[Anonymous]

She's beautiful, I believe, although she might be too nice for her own good. If a complete stranger approached me with the request of taking a picture of me while they knelt at my feet and 'prayed' for me, I would most certainly have knocked them out with my chunky black boots. NOT stilettos.

[Shawn]

she is quite possibily the most beautiful girl ever, i hate it when people judge goths. their way of life is actualy good, very nice people

[celine]

it is really very pretty this girl .she is a Gothics and me I like the Gothics; sorry for my English I am French bye

[Devin Salinger]

If that is what Goth's look like in Northern Ireland, then i am impressed. Here, in America, they are mostly fat chicks and pimply dudes with no social abilities, dressed to be depressed, i.e. posers. It's nice to see one that has taken your fancy, Jett. That means, she must also have a brain. Sometimes, it is really depressing to be an American.

[Jama]

Devin, Devin, Devin. I'm gonna get on your case here, buddy. "Fat chicks and pimply dudes with no social abilities" is, well, it's innacurate. It's also not very nice. Try to close your eyes when you look at people. You might see a lot more.

[Leigh]

hey that is my best mate...she cringes every time she sees that photo..she was actually scared of u lol ready to slap u as well for 'praying' for her tiz quite funny

[Jett Loe]

Well I'm glad she didn't slap me. Am harmless really.

[Rob]

I think she is stunning!
Someone go back and get her number for me!
I could stay up watching Bela Lugosi and Listening to The Cure all night with her!!!

[Jett Loe]

Am afraid we don't have her number here at LTA Rob, but 'Leigh' above knows her so why not try and email????

[Jeebs]

I'm not myself a goth, but I don't know what you all are talking about.
Her eyes, skyblue, long black hair.
Heavinly creature.
Absolutely gorgeous!

[Jett Loe]

Am sure we all agree with you here at LTA Jeebs!

[Hollidae]

I would also have to say that she is beautiful. I, alas, am one of the unlucky people of the world that does not look very good in the accepted/stereotypical "goth" look, and I'm completely sad about it! I think some people, such as Gemma, look absolutely stunning in this style. For Gemma I think that the dark hair and light skin really plays up her bright blue eyes and makes them the focal point, it's really the first thing you notice about her. I'd say it's a lot better than the average American girl (I'm American so I am not just bashing) who is emphasizing her bosom and her butt. People generally look at whatever you highlight girls, which is why t-shirts that have anything written right across your chest are a bad idea (especially the ones that say something along the line of "my face is up here"). If you don't want people looking at your chest don't make it a bilboard for crying out loud. Sorry; subject yeah; Goth is beautiful!

[Aorund Par]

Sadly, I live over in the United States, so my chances of meeting this Gemma girl in person ever are probably NONE, but I must say that I agree with everyone that thinks she is (every possible word for beautiful ever, period), but multiply their sentiment by (some absurdly large number near infinity) and that's how I feel. I absolutely love Goth style, and I wish I could look the part, but sadly, I can't, so it's up to me to admire and worship the people who can, including this Gemma girl. I hope that someone with the right connections would be willing to forward this to her so that it may be possible to establish some potential contact and perhaps conversation, maybe sharing pictures of our lives and times via email, sounds of the worlds around us, stuff like that. I've bookmarked this page so I can check back, so I don't want to get my hopes up too high, but any effort contributed toward Gemma and I establishing contact would be very highly appreciated!

~iPar~

[Aorund Par]

I just got a reply from the person who knows this girl Gemma, and she says that Gemma is very shy and doesn't like that she was used on the site, and doesn't want to be contacted by all these people who see these pictures and are like OMG SHE'S GOTH or OMG SHE'S HOT! and stuff, so sorry people, but don't try and contact her or the person that knows her, or they might get really bothered and stuff, so yeah... sorry, folks.

[Jett Loe]

Sorry to hear that Gemma feels used Aorund Par - if Gemma wants to contact us here at LTA we will of course respect her wishes re: use of photos.

[Ria]

I may of just misinterpreted this but I hope you don't assume that just because people are goths they need to be prayed for? There are goths of all religions (I for example am a christian YAY!) and goths arent (always) depressed/angry/violent, if they are that has nothing to do with their style.

visit http://www.equip.org/free/JAG060.htm for more info

[Jett Loe]

Hi Ria - nope, I was joking.

[wcbhoy]

Ria, unless yours was just a surf-by commenting, stick around. While Jett may be a fundamentalist conservative Christian, and a tad judgmental and fearful of those who aren't, he's really not that bad of a guy.

[Ria]

Sorry I just get alot of rubbish from some people because they dont believe I can be a Christian and still wear the clothes that I do. Im sure he is a nice guy :)

[Jett Loe]

Just be kind to others and treat them as you would want to be treated - and dress how you like! :-)

[croatian goth girl]

i think she's pretty. but since i'm one of those girls myself, i don't think i can be objective. i think it was kinda nice of her to let you take her photo.
maybe she's not that bad after all.
anyways...
whatever.
hell's fire, mother night and may the darkness be merciful

all the love,
leave a touch down in a rust

[sad_angel_]

Ok people I have read these comments and think it is time to set some of you straight on the world of goths.
1. most of us do NOT wear stiletto's. We mostly wear chunky heels.

2. Devin Salinger we are not all fat. to the contrary I am quite skinny and so are most of us. Pimply dudes, as i believe you put, is not at all what goth guys are. As for no social abilities that is also wrong. We actually go out and enjoy ourselves quite a bit.

3. we do NOT hate god(or at least some of us)there are christian, mormon, catholic, and wiccan(not devil worship like people think they simply believe in different things but all is based upon god).

4. Stereotyping is not something you should be doing. It is wrong a nd hurtful especially to us. Though society might not understand us they shouldn't label us!

I feel your pain Gemma! I live in Colorado so we get a lot of tourists. I will usually be minding my own business walking down the street and someone wil go "OH MY GOD A REAL GOTH!!!!! Can we take a picture of you???" I usually oblige but don't usually let them pray at my feet.

[Jett Loe]

Don't think you understand where I'm coming from Sad Angel - suggest you read the comments. Or better yet listen to The Podcast.

[Aorund Par]

Wow, people are still leaving comments on this post? I don't know what to say about that...

[sad_angel_]

I do understand where you are coming from. I just do not understand some of the individuals who shun us or label us. We are human biengs and choose to live this way.

[melanthios]

Wow...she's reallt beautiful. Being one of those "goth girls", I really do respect why some of us don't like random people attacking us and asking for a picture and asking if we need prayer. (I'm christian, too, fancy that!) I love the vctorian gothic look most of all.

Oh, as a pointer, our subculture encompasses many differnt style of dress, this is just one of the many looks............

[Jett Loe]

I was joking.

[Angel]

honetly why are people so judgemental? a person may feel hurt but as soon as they express it in through clothing that makes a you feel uncomfortable they become a person who poses a threat!? i dont get it, if cloths reflect so much then as the next person you see with steel toe boots to build you a house. honestly, try to understand a person before you make suggestions about their personality. a lot of people just want to be understood

[Jenny]

I'm constantly amazed at how even people that spend time online have so little understanding of satire.

[Jett Loe]

It's cause the net often has no context I think - that and people don't bother to read the comments to see what's actually going on. It gets me down sometimes - I really don't want to have to go around constantly saying IT'S A JOKE - I'M JOKING - but as you can see from the latest post re: Closing of voting for the Blog Awards, I STILL HAVE TO DO IT - makes me wanna just pack it all in if people are too thick to get what's going on. Anyway, enough bitching - it's something Wayne and I discuss in this week's show.

[lilith from croatia-našice]

+goth rules..
I like goth girls, and love goth boys..
I like this girl, there is something more about her..
and hate u people with no feelings at all..only for yourself..human like the greatest animal ever...+´

[Chantel]

Hi, I'm a Goth. I find you're site very offensive. And belive me, I'm much more of a Goth than the picture you've got.

[Chantel]

Hi, me again. I want to know why do people fear us because we're different. Its not like were from a different planet or anything. Some people are Goths because they're scared or being bullied. Whats bad about being different?
Chantel

[Jett Loe]

Why do you find this site offensive Chantel?

[wcbhoy]

Dear Mr. Loe,

I find the misunderstanding of sarcasm offensive. Please cease your activities in this regard

Hugs & Kisses.

[Jenny]

This is getting a little ridiculous. If I had guess what was going on, I'd say a lot of people who call themselves goth, indie, and emo thrive on being marginalised. They hate the mainstream and relish in the fact that the mainstream rejects them. So, maybe our commenters have decided, without applying any context or understanding, that you are marginalising them and their default position is to bitterly fight back. If so, it's pretty sad - I think people should think clearly about every new situation rather than apply what they expect (or hope) will happen. The goth girl in your photos is the one who played this will. She didn't show bitterness towards you or assume you were out to get her - she let you take her picture. Good on her, bad on "oh no the world hates me" goths.

[Chantel]

I find it offensive because it is taking the mick out of us Goths. Personally I'm a Goth because I like black, unfortunetly I have blonde hair but all my clothes are black.

[Chantel]

You know, I'm actually starting to like this site a bit... I wonder why?...

[C]

P.S One of my best friends is a hippy, one a Goth, one just very quite and one wacky. I have loads of others about 13 but they're just normal.

[Jett Loe]

I'll explain it again in case you didn't see the earlier comments - the post is a joke about me - not about goths - I appreciate that may not be clear if you don't listen to the show - but guess am getting a little frustrated of having to repeat it over and over.

[Sk]

I thought Emo was mainstream ? As for the cliche about Goth's worshipping Satan etc. Its bollocks, as is the assumption that Satanists actually believe in Satan and sacrifice goats or whatever.
I'm not a Goth, I am a Satanist, and yet any time I tell someone I am I immeadiately have to reassure them that I won't drink their blood or burn down a church.
Its sometimes depressingly amusing !

[Jett Loe]

What's wrong with drinking blood? It's a vital source of iron.

[Chantel]

I don't like the taste of blood, but I'm not afraid of it. I don't have any phobias. Yesterday I put my pet tarantula in her box and accidentily left the lid off. my sister Nina found under her pillow and screamed. Oops.
Chantel

[Jenny]

Touché, Jama.

[Chantel]

HI Peeps. I was just wondering what country do most of you live in?
Chantel

[Jett Loe]

Well Wayne, Unpaid Intern Erin and myself live in Belfast, Northern Ireland even though we're all originally from the States.

[wcbhoy]

Chantel, click on the Frappr Map box at the top right of this page. its free, its fun, its mildly informative.

[Jelena..]

I don't understand u people, why do u have that.. need to comment someone?? what about this girl..today she,tomorrow..I don't know who! So what she's a goth..he's a satanist, or - what eva! I love everything black or bloody red,,so what..why is that so..uuu!!U can't tell me what's normal..because that's something no one knows..and no one can put them selfs in any position above u or me and tell me (or us) - this is what is normal and this is what's not..there is not and must not be such low on this planet, to put us in groups..because we are all people..flesh and blood..and as people we are all the same..no human being is not greater that other! I don't hate anyone, but there isn't plenty of those who I love..that's the difference..So, don't judge ..because soon u might be the one whom will be judged by greater force..Trough life u decide will it be..good or evil side..

..greetings..

..I'm only wearing black until they find something...darker!!

[Chantel]

Yeah, me too. But I prefer black, blood red and dark purple.

[dracvl]

Wow Gemma is really beautifull!!! Very pretty. And I THINK I understand u were just joking, as u said. There*s nothing bad in taking pictures... Yeah. I*m a Goth and i prefere black and violet, purple or whatever. And I have purple hair lol. Ppl staring at me like I am some kind of monster or something...but I don*t mind. I like myself the way I am...but I would really like to be like Gemma... so beautifull...

[Chantel]

I'm a lot more Gothic than Gemma, really. I've got bullied 7 times but have managed to stop it. On Saturday I'm getting red streaks put in my hair!

[Phil]

At the risk of being verbally assaulted....it seems "being Goth" is just as conforming as "being 'normal"....everyone likes black, dark purple....everyone dyes their hair the same way, same make-up, same clothes....it seems you're not being different at all, in that regard.

It's not society's version of 'normal' but it does seem as just another way to conform -

And people staring at you...you want them to stare at you...that's why you go through the effort of dressing a particular way, isn't it?

[Chantel]

To Phil,
No actually. I hate being the centre of attention. I'm usually just a bystander. If you would have said that to my friends' face you would have got cursed. But not by me unless you said something REALLY offensive. I'm not that kind of person.

[Chantel]

Hello. Somebody speak.

[Phil]

I'm quite certain I would have been cursed...maybe even beaten a bit.

I still stand by my statement.

[dracvl]

To Phil,

nope, I don*t want anyone to stare at me. I hate being in centre of attention - just like chantel said. I wear clothes I like and it reflects my feelings at the moment I wear that. If somebody thinks I*m a freak I don*t mind, I respect everybody and I think everybody should respect me.

[Phil]

No disagreements on the respect.

I guess what I mean is, you know you stand out, yet you say you don't want to draw attention....it contradicts itself.

[Chantel]

I agree with dracvl. Phil, face the facts.

[Phil]

That's what I'm trying to do, Chantel! What are they??

For the record, one of my best friends in high school and college was a "goth" (I was/am not).

[C]

Phil,
Click on the hyperlink of my name. It sends you to a website that explains a lot.

[Chantel]

Oops, sorry. Just click on the C!

[Phil]

No dice, Chantel...sez "unavailable"..

[Chantel]

Well then, you'll just have to ask some more questions won't you? Good ones.

[alex]

hello there- dont know exactly what the site is about, in sum, very funny picture i constantly take the piss out of my self in similar ways, goths own, im one in theory, the girl is quite yummy but oh my god her eyes are stunning, satanism is about logic and evolutionary benefit not being 'evil', i am not a satanist but have actually looked into what it is about as i have for all belief systems. and most goths arent satanists anyway, though there is an abundance of 'alternative religion' often wicca, and atheism/agnosticism. the picture is not hurtful in it's self though taking a picture of her as such might have been a little audacious- also the fact that he stopped and made a point of her highlights how interesting goth is. dumb people give us shit to reasure their own identity as such they have none of their own. also goth is a choice of asthetic representative of a creative mind with the benefit of social identification of other marginalised people. dressing goth is to be part of a community based on acceptance and freedom it is neither conformity nor anti conformity nor individuality it is simply an option. and wtf is with the argument about chuncky boots or stilletos lol let it go- stilleto comment was offensive but you seem more concerned about the fashion crime than the fascist remark!!! also comment about people being equal is wrong- some people are better than others-but social grouping is no indication of personal merit. *breaths* ok rant over.

[Phil]

Alex summed it up pretty well, actually -

I find "satanism" more confusing than "atheism", but that's a whole 'nother subject for another time.

[Judas Trainwreck]

After reading through all the comments, I don't have anything to add, except that it sometimes seems that to be a Goth, you just have to appear a certain way that makes people think you're Goth, and POOF, then you are! The Music you listen to and the Clothes you wear don't make you a Goth, but society's norms make it seem that way.

On a side note, look at my username, "Judas Trainwreck". That sounds at least semi-Goth, doesn't it? I got the name from a Lyric in the Beck song "Dark Star". Beck isn't Goth, and the song isn't a Goth song, either. Download it from LimeWire or iTunes or something and hear it for yourself.

My point here is that alot of being Goth isn't ACTUALLY being Goth, just being LABELED as a Goth. That's what "takes the mick" out of being Goth, I think.

I don't know what else to say, but that's okay, we don't have to say anything...

[Chantel]

I don't have a bl**** clue what you guys are on about!

[alex is SOOO goth lol]

also one thing i forgot to comment on- people who wrote something to the effect of "i'm goffer dun hur"- seriously.. well done, i'm really impressed, have a fuckin' cookie. tell me do you begin every sentence with O'
?
something to the effect of

O' what woe is this, for gemma has so many comments, but i am yet dismissed, though i've been bullied 7 WHOLE TIMES, and am dying my hair red, so i shall write pretentious rhymes, until i fall down dead.

for O' im so much gotherer, than thou can comprehend, i may cause the heavens, themselves to soon descend, my eyes are green as emerald, at gemmas blue saphires, for i am rife with jellousy, pitching myself as the poor pariah.

fin

i for one enjoy the goth scene because it does not value these kinds of socialclimbing moronic games for the most part. 'gother than thou' isn't big and it isn't clever. only jovial pretension is entertaining.

[Chantel]

You didn't get egg thrown at you this morning.

[Phil]

Chantel from listening to Jett's latest podcast, that may just be an "irish" thing.

Jett gets egg thrown at him, too.

[Chantel]

Seriously, I know how he feels. But I'm not Irish. I'm half Malasian.

[wcbhoy]

From the latest podcast if eggs are all that jett gets flung at him, he's coming out ahead of the game.

[Phil]

Neither is Jett, Chantel! It is the Irish that are doing the throwing.

[Chantel]

That might be offensive to any Irish people on the site.

[Hippy]

I hate Goths. Chantel you're a bitch.

[Chantel]

That was a bit uncalled for!

[Hippy]

You heard me all goths are FUCKING BITCH'S!

[Vamp]

I'm brand new to this site. Yo, Hippy why without the love and peace man?

[Phil]

True Chantel - I don't mean to paint all Irish as egg-throwers.

I'll bet Hippy has been known to throw an egg or two.

[Hippy]

Shut the fuckin' hell up. Who cares if i might through an egg or two.

[Chantel]

You know Phil, I think you might just be right...

[Vamp]

Hi Chantel, do you like Goths?

[Chantel]

LIKE GOTHS!!! My dear friend I AM one!!!

[Vamp]

Do you look like Gemma?

[Chantel]

Yeah. But I have blonde hair and I'm a LOT more Gothic.

[Vamp]

Wicked. Will you go out with me? Can I have your number?

[Chantel]

NO!!!

[Sparkle]

Hi, what's this site about. Chantel told me about it. I love romantic stuff. Phil will you go out with me?

[Chantel]

Hey Sparks! Didn't think you'd visit!

[Luna]

i dont get it, whats up with the egg-throwing?!

[Luna]

i dont get it, whats up with the egg-throwing?!

[Phil]

Sure Sparkle! When would you like me to pick you up?

[mackenna]

i think she is butaful

[mackenna]

maby she is

[mackenna]

noone is replineing

[mackenna]

hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[mackenna]

like in goth wise not peppel wise shannon

[alex]

i agre with mackenna i think she is butafull

[Judas Trainwreck]

To those people who think this is one of those sort of VampireFreaks forum sites or something like that, IT IS NOT, so it would be much appreciated by the rest of us if you stop spamming this page.

Furthermore, if you're goth, you're goth, that's all. If you think you're more goth, what, you wear more black, you look scarier, you have a bigger music collection? What the fuck, seriously!?

People who throw eggs at others doesn't make them automatically hate goths or make them Irish, THEY'RE JUST FUCKIN' MEAN!

Again, I must say that this is NOT one of those MySpace/VampireFreaks social sites or anything like that, so STOP SPAMMING THE SITE!!!

[Jett Loe]

Ahh you're bein' a bit harsh Judas Trainwreck - if people come here to praise Jemma = that's ok! :)

[melissa]

wow we have loads in commen i love your site i didnt know there were so many goths in the world.:0

[Jelena]

whats ur problem..judas trainwreck!! you r being mean..so stop..or I'll bite u..

[Jett Loe]

Glad you like the site melissa - don't forget to add yourself to
the Frappr map!

[Judas Trainwreck]

I'm not being mean, other people are being stupid, not all of them, just some of them, and they should know who they are, the ones who are flaming people and treating this page like it's VampireFreaks or MySpace or something of the like. It's people who are saying things like "I'm more Goth than you" or "FXck all Goths, they're BXtches" they're the ones that bother contributors and friends to the site and that's why I posted the STOP SPAMMING THE SITE comment. There are people who are here not praising Gemma, but instead seem to just be loitering in a sense. THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE HERE!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT NOW!?

[Jett Loe]

Hi Judas - just a note to say sorry if you're frustrated but it's OK if people want to loiter a while - I don't mind - as long as they don't make hateful comments everybody's welcome here.

[Jelena]

yes..I understand u.. it's stupid to saying others who is a greater goth..ur right..

[Judas Trainwreck]

Aye. My apologies to everyone involved. My mind's eye now sees a clearer picture.

[Luna]

wow i think its really cool how many goths there are in ireland :O i thot it was more conservative...well anyway are any of u goths in vienna, austria (europe, not australia!!!) plz tell me!

[mackenna]

i think you gey are egnoring me!!!!!! :(((

[mackenna]

i dressed goth today :O and i sorta did it

[mackenna]

i love you mommy

[Jelena]

Weeeeeeeee..Luna, come to Croatia;))

[mackenna]

if you see this mommy justto let you now i love you and i well never let you go and i relly love you and it is a good thing you are srveng for are contre and the hole famly love you very much and mackenly is felying good but mom is not an she is a sleep mommy love mackenna margaret leona button

[Luna]

jelena,
how about we meet half way? :P

[<3 Luna]

lol jenna lets meet half way :P

[MCR freak]

Hi I just wanna say thnx 2 all the ppl whove put wot goths r really like. Im a Christian and a goth and its not all depression and stuff its actually quite fun.I get piked on 4 being a goth but I dont care because Im being me and Im happy that way. I hope evry1 knows who MCR is because they are my therapy and the reason I am who I am instead of some sad freak who had no freinds. Thanks 4 bothering 2 read all this lol bye. :-)

[Chantel]

Whoa! Who re-deacorated. Sorry I haven't been on for a while. What did I miss?

[Chantel]

I'm a Goth. I get egg chucked at me. I'm quiet. I'm a bit of a freak. And guess what, I don't give a dam.

[Blah]

FUCK OFF DICKHEAD!

[Jelena]

Luna.......u heard 4 croatia??

[Jelena]

..and Chantel..keep being urself!!;))

Proud to be a Fr3ak!!

[Sparkle]

Fuck off yourself! No one says that to my mate.

[Jelena]

bitch is what I am..

[Luna]

ofc ive heard of croatia, this guy in my school moved to croatia last year. arent there really nice beaches there? :P

[Chantel]

I used to live in Malaysia (I think I spelt it right)

[Jelena]

of course;))..but when I said - proud to be a freak..i said that for myself..so..no hard feelings!

[George]

You judge goths without meet em..always the same... most of you at this site are pathetic no-life-exept-my-pc. retards.... hopefully there are some openminded here 2

[Jett Loe]

If you're gonna be here you to have be more civil George.

[Chantel]

To George,
If you don't stop thinking that you are the only imaginative and itelligent being on this site: GO TO HELL
Yours sincerely
Chantel (major Goth)

[Luna]

no offense u guyz but i kinda agree with george i mean seriously most of u post so many comments- its crazy! i mean good 4 u, ur goths, but does that mean u dont have a life?

[Phil]

Is George pro-Goth or anti-Goth? I can't tell from his post.

[George]

I have to be more civil? I wasnt civil at all
but what about the sweet guy Chantel....? Anyway I dont think that Im the only "imaginative and itelligent" as I said at my post .... hopefully there are some open minded here 2.... And to be honest you judge something you dont even know it name. goth is the movement you know cathredral and buillding style literature music
etc etc and gothic is what comes from it. So the girl is a gothic dressed girl...also do not write it with capital G cuz Goth if you open a Dictionary is the barbaric Gothic tribe... that has nothing to do with the goth...
and yes now I maybe sound a little arrogand...
Yours Sincerely.

[Chantel]

Who says goths (Goths) don't have a life. Even though I'm a goth. I have come second in two national (Whole of Suffolk) first aid competitions. And one the smartest uniform every time. AND I'm still a goth.

[Luna]

yeah well not like u could tell by what uve posted here, chantel, all u ever write about is how gothic u r and stuff, but im glad u have other interests next to bragging about your blond hair
love y'all

[Chantel]

I hate my hair.

[Vamp]

Chantel, are you sure you don't want to go out with me?

[Chantel]

YES! FOR THE LAST TIME!

[Luna]

ok no offense then, must have been some1 else

[George]

heheh lol :P I agree with chant at this. Im not
understand why some ppl believe that goth dont have lifes.. really now do you believe to be goth you have to go out only after midnight?? or that do not have interest? i know a lot of ppl who hear goth industrial etc music and have family kids wife... it like you say that those who hear RnB or club music do not have lifes or interest... to be honest the most ppl who go to clubs do not have interest at all... i cant understand where you find diff between these 2...anyway... Vamp i want to go out with you but im sure that we are a little far :DDDD

[Chantel]

I not allowed to go out after midnight. I wouldn't want to anyway. I have to be back by 8:45.

[Vamp]

GET LOST YOU PIECE OF SHIT. I WANTED TO GO OUT WITH CHANT NOT YOU!

[Jett Loe]

Please be civil here - otherwise I'll have to ask you to leave.

[mackenna]

y did you call that person a pice of SHIT

[mackenna]

i agre with the person post in front of me

[mackenna]

les start over hi i'm mackenna and i am hear to meet new pepel

[mackenna]

___mine___1000000___2000000___3000000__

[mackenna]

my mom is a cop and i can sick he on you and she is on the gard

[mackenna]

can som body geav me ther adess

[Aorund Par]

Wow, what the hell happened here? SPAM, that's what it looks like. Some middle and/or High-School kids seem to have found your site, Jett, and they turned this post into VampireFreaks or something. This has got to be the most commented-on post of all time, but for all the wrong reasons. Seems to be one hell of a party, though...

[Katya]

Umm....wow. this is a really rambling comment-train. I reeeally don't see what Mackenna is doing on here...I mean, please, if you have to post random junk on here in a quest to find "meet new pepel", at least learn how to spell and structure a sentence. I apologize for picking on you, but that's a pet peeve of mine.

I tend to be called a 'punkgoth' quite often, based on clothing. I also tend to like 'gothic' bands. And Jett, I could tell you were joking, and I found it actually quite funny. A kind parody of people who generalize that 'all goths must be depressed satanists'. Heehee.

Anyway. Gemma is quite pretty. And the 'gother than thou' thing? please, grow up. I believe in being yourself, not trying to live up to a standard (be it for preps or goths). And tyechnically, goth is a music genre. therefore, how can you tell who's 'gother' by looking at their clothing? It can be an indication, but shouldn't be a basis for judgement.

Phew. Done. Replies welcome, but things like 'u r soo mean' or 'shut up b*itch!' will not be answered.

[Chantel]

Vamp, chill.

[Chantel]

SOMONE SPEAK!!! HAS EVERYONE DIED OR SOMETHING?!

[Phil]

I have grown weary of the 'goth-talk', and have decided to read things posted within the past twelve months.

[Sk]

Why is it that people seem to take themselves so seriously, accept the joke and move on...

And comments like 'I'm far more Goth' and all that seem silly to me, firstly being goth isn't just one thing, it's a mixture of things - music, clothes, whatever. Saying your more goth than someone else is subjective because when you say that your going by your own standards for what being goth is.

The person that likes MCR, i suggest you listen to Queen, from what I hear MCR ripped them off completely with the Black Parade album. Also, I was pretty certain that MCR are Emo, not goth.

People need to get used to the idea that humanity is judgemental, people WILL stereotype others whether you like it or not. So you have to accept that goth will likewise get stereotyped. I say I hate Chav's or Emo kids, but what I mean is I hate the stereotypes of these groups.

Talking of stereotypes, I sometimes use peoples ignorance to my advantage, the other day I was accosted by a man and to get rid of him I told him I was a Satanist. His reply? Apparantly I didn't 'look' like a Satanist and was clearly lieing, he then told me to put a curse on him if I was actually a Satanist. How could this guy know i'm not a Satanist, he'd never met me before. As for the 'curse' thing, that was just plain funny. I belive he may of been thinking of Paganism instead.

That guy could easily have offended me, but I chose to find it funny, the same as I found Jett's earlier sarcastic reply to my first post funny. And I think that just about neatly brings my ramble back to my first point.

[Jinx]

Hello I'm joining in on what seems to form into some kind of chat website.

I have many 'gothic' intrests I dress it I love Darkwave Victorian costumes and I read the bible Even though I am not Christan(I do not want to offend any Christans or satanist people)I think Gemma is Morbidly Beautiful and I think It was wrong to take that picture!

Hello Phil,Vamp and Chantel

P.s
Vamp do NOT fucking hook up with chantel or keep asking her to go out with you I find it disturbing (offence to Phil not Chantel)

[Katya]

Heehee. This debate is funny. We're all going in circles, and not saying much.

I agree with Sk but I'm not as good at explaining myself!

[slf3.12]

Hey, what's up, people? Anyone who's still active in here please say 'Hello'.

[Chantel]

Goodbye.

[andrea]

I think this goth girl is really beautiful =)

[Chantel]

You know what, this site is starting to get really boring. SOMEONE SPEAK!!!

[Jett Loe]

Usually the action takes place elsewhere.

[Mr L]

What a stunning young Woman.

It takes guts to be different from the crowd and to be your own person, and I really admire her for it.

[N.I Alternative.]

Lmao I know her.Don't you think it's a bit rude to pray at people?Embaressing too.Up the Northern Irish goths,hahaha...

[Jett Loe]

Don't worry N.I. Alternative - if you read the comments you'll see I was taking the piss out of the kind of people 'who would pray for her; anyhew, Jemma was a real champ for letting us take this photo.

[N.I Alternative.]

Oh that's ok-I did wonder,the look of rapture on your face did seem a little too.......but who can tell with the crazy people running around today,in the name of religion

[Deborah Mythic K.]

Why do all of you assume she'll hurt you? she doesn't look dangerous to me... its a good picture though. i just wish you wouldn't judge her from it. judging her is judging all of us.

[Jett Loe]

I'm not judging her - I was satirising all the folks who do, (it's all in the extremely long comments section...).

[free xxx]

this is great, its sooo cute! :D

[sadxangel]

Wow I havent been on here in a while and I see I have missed out on the ramblings of people trying to date eachother. I feel utterly dissapionted and left out! boohoo.
***SARCASM***

Sk, Paganism is not a religion where followers would try to curse you. This may clear things up P.S. Dont make assumptions.
Paganism is the broad term used to describe any religion or belief that is not Christian, Jewish or Muslim. Paganism can be traced back to Neolithic times and survived up until the middle ages when Christianity became powerful enough to erase it from existence. Paganism is an earth based religion which lays emphasis on the worship of all aspects of nature. Paganism appeared very early on in the history of the world. Examples of early paganism, can be seen in ancient Greek and Roman religions, as well as in ancient Goddess worship and Druidic religions.
more at http://library.thinkquest.org/28111/

Katya, I think that you are right. I looked up some of the sterotypes on wikipedia and found that they are nothing but music genres.

[Earth Doctor]

I like goths. They're usually nice and I find goth girls quite attractive. :) <#

[sheena]

wow...i read all the comments and conversations..not sure if its a chatting site or comment site..but yeah,whatever.
i'm a beginner in the gothic world.don't know much about it,only the black,red and violet clothing.oh,and not forgetting the smokey eyeshadow.it's all gorgeous.i dress up that way just to be seen as different,because i am different.it's all good.
the girl in the picture is gorgeous.by her smile,she seems to have a friendly personality.i admire her.she makes a great goth."you go girl!"

[Mirarennaria Meraa Firefly]

She's beautiful, and she was very good-natured to let you photograph her like that. If i was in a similar situation, i probably would have done the same, but not all goths would have. :)

See, people?

We're not ALL syphylitic monsters.

Just most of us.

:licks up some goat blood:

MUAuauaHAHAHAHA! >:D

[death]

dude what goth 2 u shes beautiful as hell
asi can see but yeah iam a true goth down to the trench coat in black combat boot
but one question what is goth to u can u explain that ????

[Veronica]

Kickass

[ellis]

man wats up w/u ppl? first off i think she's pretty hot. second i think its pretty freakn awesome that she's got the guts to dress how she feels and not care wat anyone thinks, y'all judging ppl how they dress is wats f***ed up. i know lots of goth ppl and they're nice ppl, if someone says hi to them they smile and say hi back, no where does it say that all goths r required to be depressed cynical b*tches. and they rn't all like that. dont generalize, it only makes problems for everyone.

[rachel]

i was just looking through pictures, and i saw this, i think i look a lot like the girl in the picture, i don't think i would have let someone take my picture though....it was nice of her to let u....i just finished reading all of these comments and i can't believe what u people were fighting over, it's hilarious ~rachel~

[Max]

She is so beautiful. I'd move to Ireland for her.

[dani]

thats gemma :)
she goes to bangor tech,,shes awsum,,,n dead nice!

[Jamie Doyle]

Wow.. a lot of people here really didn't get the sarcasim...
Jett, just one thing dude, when you get back from Eden-Burg you really should do an LTA episode about the alternative scene in Belfast. Try the City Hall, Waterfront Hall and Customs House Square.
I guess to make it balanced you should do a chapter about spieds/chavs/millies as well. I see it now, LTA: Jett Loe goes burberry.

[Fergie Ferg]

you would be amazed how many goths ther is in N.ireland!
must of them are posers u no they try to be emo/goth/punk
but the real ones arent like all "euggh i am a goth" they're actually pretty cool. the thing is there is to many chavs. u cant go down one street with out some one calling you things, or comin and hittin u! just today me and my best friend got hit with stones because we were "emo". I went over to the guys n wer like WTF are you doing. and they like Ur stupid emo's and i mentiond i aint emo i'm punk and as soon as i said that they ran.
Its just sto0opid
its a free country n and u get beaten up for not fitten in!
Gemma had a lot of confidence to go out liek that in N.ireland!

[J0E-S0AP]

Ok so when I seach "Gothic Girls" on Google for abit of fun I find this site!... random I go to Bangor College and study art and know Gemma. Well I dont know her much though only a lil bit.

[Jamie Doyle]

Fergie Ferg, you've got it completely right. There's too many chavs/steeks about that try and start on people for the way they dress.
It sucks. Of course, anyone who lives in Northern Ireland and is a "gaffik", "hippi" or "fookn emo" will know this.

[Fergie Ferg]

wer i come from if ur not a chav ur labeled as a goth or emo.
n ur like WTF man get a life. ther all so sto0opid!
im sometimes ashamed to live in N.I!
i mean..the pregnancy age here is 13!..and most 13 yr olds r sluts n act liek theyr adults.
some times im happy to live here..actually i cant think of a reason why im happy in N.I..
but come on this isnt nice anymore goin down the street..and here u fookn(lol) emo c**t
( any one who doesnt understand this language come to NI n u will hear the way ppl say things)

[samantha]

i dont understand y gothic ppl hate preps!?!

[Gaz]

more like preps hate gothic people, preps give all the abuse cause they think there so "cool" and there like "omg what is she wearing" i think most girls should look more like this.

[Courtenay]

well i must sya all of this over a pic of gemma that was taken ages ago lol her hair doesnt even look like that now and she has more piercings lol

well, heres a familiar debate, the whole chav, goths and everything inbetween.
well firstly id just like to say.... CHAVS FUCKING SUCK!! i mean holy jesus christ how much negativity can one group of people spurt out of their many holes (sorry for the pun to all you chavettes out there who use their ho